Wright – Australia 2025

@John
Cook commemorates Captain James Cook. PM Joseph Cook has no Federal Electorate named for him, a huge oversight, imo. He was considered a Labor rat.
Wright makes no sense, how many could reciite the first line of any poem she ever wrote? At the time it was named, it drew a blank. The only Qld pol named Wright was Keith Wright [d. 2015], wasn’t there any other name that could’ve been used?
Groom is dodgy too. WTF remembers Lyttleton Groom?

@gympie. Actually as of this year Cook is now jointly named after both Captain Cook and PM Joseph Cook a as suggestyed by a submission made by both yself and another tallyroom poster. yes im in agreement on both Wright and Groom. Groom my only objection is the namesake, instead of being named agfter Sir Littleton Groom it should be named after his father William Henry Groom who was more deserving of a namesake

Regarding Littleton and William Henry Groom, a wise person once said “Most people wouldn’t know either of those names and you’d be lucky to find 1 person on the street if you asked 100 people who either of those people were.”

@ real talk you could say the same about half the names. thats why we have this thing called history so people can study it to learn about it.

Which is precisely why we need to name divisions after people like Hayden and Kenny. Thank you for agreeing with me.

@real tbh id never heard of Sister Kenny until you mentioned her and i had to google her. Bill Hayden doesnt seem to be deserving in my opinion. His only achievement was that he was a politician from one side of politics. those are a dime a dozen. its also why i oppose names such as Grayndler and Calwell and was glad Charlton got the boot.

Hayden is the only person in the history of the entire federal parliament to serve as a party leader, treasurer, foreign minister, and governor-general. Hardly a ‘dime a dozen’. Your biases are showing again.

@Real Talk
Bill Hayden was just in the right place at the right time to enter Parliament. Ipswich went from a hub of industry to a welfare seat during his 28 years representing Oxley, and not only was Bill nowhere to be seen on the barricades, he left no infrastructure legacy either.
Sister Kenny is way more appropriate than Judith Wright [or Irene Longman, Ruth Fairfax or even Frank Forde] the problem there is her Polio treatment used electric current to stimulate the paralysed muscles. Quite effectively, but too ‘alternative’ to be PC in the current climate.

I mean, I don’t expect us to agree on much, but to say in one breath we need to study history, and the next moment dismiss someone’s career credentials because they’re on the opposite side of politics to the one you prefer, just points you out as foolish.

@real talk tell me how many divisions are named after liberal mps that werent PM. or how many business leaders? the answer is none.

@john – who is Hasluck named after?

sry il correct that Sir Litleton Groom was in part a member of the Liberals but was a party hopper. I also dont support his namesake either. all those positions while maybe high ranking he was still just a labor party politician. being GG isnt anything anyone has to be qualified or even good at. its just another jobs for mates cushy position that is overpaid.

@bazza you know he did other things then just be a politician though?

and its also part named after his wife as well

@John

Bonner was named for Senator Neville Bonner, a Liberal senator.
Braddon was named for Edward Braddon, a non-Labor premier of Tasmania.
Brand was named for David Brand, a Liberal premier of WA.
Burt was named for a trio of family members, one of which was a businessman.
Casey was named for Richard Casey, a Liberal MP who was treasurer, foreign minister and governor-general.
Cowan was named for Edith Cowan, a Nationalist (i.e. non-Labor) state MP.
Dickson was named for James Dickson, a non-Labor premier of Queensland and businessman
Durack was jointly named for Peter Durack, a Liberal MP and Attorney-General for Malcolm Fraser.
Forrest was named for John Forrest, a non-Labor premier and important minister in the first two decades of Federation for virtually every non-Labor government.
Griffith was named for Sir Samuel Griffith, a non-Labor premier and Chief Justice of the High Court.
Groom was named for Sir Littleton Groom, a non-Labor MP
Hasluck was jointly named for Sir Paul Hasluck, a Liberal MP and Governor-General
Isaacs was named for Sir Isaac Isaacs, a non-Labor MP, Chief Justice and Governor-General
Kingston was named for Charles Kingston, a non-Labor MP
Longman was named for Irene Longman, a Country Party state MP
Lyne was named for Sir William Lyne, a non-Labor MP
Lyons was jointly named for Dame Enid Lyons, a Liberal MP and wife of former PM Joseph Lyons
Macarthur was jointly named for John and Elizabeth Macarthur, prominent business figures of the 19th century
Pearce was named for George Pearce. Granted, he started his time with Labor, but served as a non-Labor senator for 22 years.
Rankin was named for Dame Annabelle Rankin, a Liberal senator
Solomon was named for Vabien Louis Solomon, a non-Labor MP

il have to follow up tomorrow after doing more research. i know that some of them were more then just politicians though

Bill Hayden was also a Queensland Cop

unless he rescued kids from a burning orphanage thats not an achievement

Real Talk, I think some of those MP only figures also had some historic ‘firsts’ – ie Edith Cowan and Irene Longman being the first female MP’s to serve in state parliament (Queensland WA respectively). Neville Bonner was also the first indigenous member to serve in Federal parliament.

Also, Bill Hayden as Foreign Minister helped to establish improved relations with many ‘hostile’ nations like Vietnam and China so that in itself is a considerable achievement, similar to the likes of Henry Kissinger in the US

@bazza Waiting for John to tell us later in the campaign that Peter Dutton’s experience as a Queensland cop is valuable and worthwhile 😉

@Yoh An You’re quite right, and they’re worthy of having electorates named after them, regardless of their political background.

@Real Talk
**Isaacs was named for Sir Isaac Isaacs, a non-Labor MP, Chief Justice and Governor-General…**
isaacs wasn’t a Labor MP? You sure about that?
On the naming of Electorates since the AEC took over the job, we’ve seen Dickson, Flynn [errol?], Burt [Bert?], Groom, Wright [Keith?], Bullwinkel, and Cox was successfully opposed. Apart from deceased PMs, that’s the list. How hard can it be to vet names shared with someone notorious or where there’s a double entendre? It’s not as though Irene Longman’s ghost was calling out for regognition? John Flynn was a notorious racist, that should have ruled hmi out from the start, but it was never brought up.

Gympie, Isaac Isaacs was a Protectionist party MP during the inaugural Parliament after Federation, then moved to the High Court in 1905 before becoming Governor General later on.

In regards to the redistribution wright and rankin should be able to take in all the parts of Logan West and north respectively of the Logan River from forde.and possibly use stacks Creek as theboundary between them

And adding the locker Valley to groom then fixes up wright.. maranoa can then take in most of the urban Toowoomba voters. And maranoa can shed the kingaroy/crows nest parts to Blair to top that up after its helped out the Brisbane seats south of the river.

@John wouldn’t that put maranoa way over population quota? Toowoomba has way too many people to shed its urban area to maranoa unless my maths is really off

I do believe John meant to say “non-urban” Toowoomba voters I.e. the towns in the Toowoomba LGA which aren’t part of the city, such as Oakey, Pittsworth. There’s no way that you can put all of “urban Toowoomba” (i.e. the whole city) into Maranoa and still have a viable Groom.

Curiously, under that alignment, you’d have two seats crossing the great dividing range, and Blair would wrap well around Groom. I wonder if Kingaroy into Groom and Lockyer into Blair works.

That would make sense Real Talk, as Maranoa already takes in some outer parts of Toowoomba council (towns like Millmerran) so expanding it to include other areas like Pittsworth would still be ok.

@Real Talk yeah that makes so much more sense, i think thats probably a logical expansion you’ve suggested too.

Vote Quimby!

Drove through here along the Springfield Greenbank Arterial (SGA) today. I counted seven signs for One Nation, six for the LNP, and one for Labor.

this could easily be a lnp v onp seat

Driving through there this afternoon, plenty of signs for Palmer and Buchholz, the odd One Nation sign too. From memory the overlapping seats in the Queensland election were very strong for One Nation. It wouldn’t take much for them to reach the final two.

A bit late but Yoh An I just can’t leave that Kissinger reference unchallenged. Kissinger was a war criminal, lied to the public repeatedly to justify his illegal wars, and supported authoritarian regimes across the world. I don’t know enough about Bill Hayden to know if the comparison’s justified, but Kissinger is certainly not someone who deserves praise and recognition.

@ Clarinet of Communists
i could not agree more with regard to vile US foreign policy. Henry Kissinger specifically allowed the 1972 Genocide of Bengalis by the Pakistani regime, overthrow the democratically elected governmet of Salvdaor Allende in Chile (then the oldest democracy in Latin America), allowed for Indonensia ‘s illegal Annexation of East Timor, Morocoo’s conquest of Western Sahara and Turkey’s brutal invasion and occupation of Cyprus which continues to this day.

I drove through here recently, through Gatton and Helidon. I saw a lot of Buchholz signs with a few One Nation signs too. Couldn’t see any other signs.

@Clarinet of Communists
Bill Hayden was a lifelong Socialist, anything he did re Vietnam and China wasn’t likely intended for Australia’s benefit
Henry Kissinger was Secretary of State when North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam in 1975, something that Nixon wouldn’t have allowed to happen had he still been President.

@ real talk but Labor will preference the lnp and so will onp so this is a safe lbp seat pretty much forever

One Nation was able to get 45.9% of the 2CP versus the LNP in Lockyer in 2017 from 34.4% of the primary vote (with no other right-wing minor parties running). The right-wing minor parties collectively got 23.9% of the primary vote here in 2022.

Could the LNP get a scare here?

@john Of course the ALP would preference the LNP ahead of ONP. I was simply agreeing with your hypothesis, eloquently stated, that the One Notion party would make the final two.

No chance Nicolas the only chance they have of winning is with laborpreferences

@ real talk right. They could also make the 2pp in groom maybe.

@John Only with massive help from Family First and the Trumpets of Doom, followed by vote splitting amongst the independent voters. Not ruling it out entirely but it seems less likely than in Wright.

Yes but the seat polls are varying between lnp v ind and lnp v onp in groom. The ind won’t be around forever and onp seems to gaining ground there’s even talk of lnp v onp in maranoa. The redistribution is coming up and the locker Valley is likely to be moved out of Wright and into either Blair or groom.but I think groom would be a better fit only because it won’t give anywhere for the Somerset lga to go without creating a weird division elsewhere

Can you show me the polls in Groom showing lnp v onp? Genuinely curious, haven’t seen any myself.

Lockyer Valley used to be two LGAs – Gatton and Laidley. Depending on how the numbers work out, I’m thinking that transferring Gatton to Groom and Laidley to Blair could be a good option.

Incidentally, Somerset also used to be two LGAs – Esk and Kilcoy. There is some flexibility offered by the possibility of transferring Kilcoy from Blair to Longman.

I will when I can find it again. The map though does have a lnp v onp contest in maranoa

It’s now just one lga. As is Somerset. It makes more sense to put the whole thing in one seat that way maranoa can move further into groomand should help fix up the long term defeceits

Also long and is already over quota and need to shed voters