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This seat is Australia’s most socially conservative seat as:
– Voted No in the SSM at 56% which is the highest in Queensland and any highly non-immigrant seat
– Safest LNP seat in the 2PP
– Highest No vote in Australia for the Voice Referendum at 85%
@ Marh, agree also It has had the strongest No vote at the 1999 Republic Referendum. Vote Compass has vote it repeatedly as the most right-wing seat.
The Minister of the Republic has been abolished in the latest reshuffle. It was probably a wise idea so the government focuses on bread and butter issues. I posted on the Maranoa thread as it had the highest no vote at the 1999 referendum and the voice.
@nimlan the republic idea is dead for at least another 15 years. albo wont try another referendum and i expect that given the liberals will be in power between 2028 and probaly mid-late 2030s we wont see any talk until at least 2037
Polling has shown most Australians support retaining the flag and the monarchy. It is probably the most foolish decision Labor could do to hold a vote on changing either one of this in the near future.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/9727-australian-flag-favoured-for-retention-november-2024
The Republic Referendum suffered from the same problem the Voice did:
lack of a clear understanding of how the change would work in practice.
My opinion on both, most people would accept, after thinking about it for a while, that showing up in someone else’s country and saying
It’s our Country now
is wrong and ought to be made right.
The doubt is always whether the ALP can be trusted to make it right.
@Nimalan interesting poll but how do 56% of Labor voters want the flag to be changed if 61% of people in general don’t?
If Labor decides to hold another referendum then I guarantee they will lose the next federal election. They just had a failed referendum that wasn’t even close. The majority of moderates and conservatives alike voted No, while progressives and socialists mostly voted Yes. The majority of Coalition, One Nation and even Labor voters voted against it. It was mostly Labor, Greens and teal voters who voted Yes but again most voted No.
This isn’t anything to do with conservatism or wokeism or racism, it’s to do with the fact that well-off people in areas where virtually no Aboriginals live voted Yes and people who knew Aboriginal people and at least somewhat understood what was going on and what their issues were voted No. Hence why the most Indigenous seat (Lingiari) voted No and the least (Goldstein) voted Yes.
@ NP
I havnt done the maths to add it up myself. However, 56% of Labor voters is still not convincing as it means 44% of Labor voters are against it. Those 44% are more Labor Right voters while Greens and Labor left voters are Pro-Change. I am not a supporter of flag change or republic myself, i think it will be the Greens not Labor that is driving it. I dont think Labor will win a Teal held seat by abandoning the trade union movement to focus on Flags or the monarchy so it is not worthwhile for Labor
@Nether Portal:
I think “moderate” Liberals supported The Voice, guessng on the Seat by Seat figures, but the hidden story is that, at least in the Brisbane area, Labor left it to The Greens to hand out the HTVs at prepoll and on the day.
Greens also on the front foot pushing The Voice.
My opinion, they got sucked in by Labor, would’ve been better off adopting
an agnostic/wait and see attitude.
@Gympie while many of the richer small-l-liberal areas voted Yes, most moderate voters who lean conservative voted No. For example, the seats of Boothby and Sturt in Adelaide voted No. Boothby is small-l-liberal and was won by Labor in 2022 while Sturt was narrowly held by the Liberals, and due to Dutton being right-wing there is a chance Sturt could fall to Labor which would leave them without any seats in Adelaide.
@Gympie while many of the richer small-l-liberal areas voted Yes, most moderate voters who lean conservative voted No. For example, the seats of Boothby and Sturt in Adelaide voted No. Boothby is small-l-liberal and was won by Labor in 2022 while Sturt was narrowly held by the Liberals, and due to Dutton being right-wing there is a chance Sturt could fall to Labor which would leave them without any seats in Adelaide.
Also, it tended to be the new money areas that voted Yes (e.g Bondi). Old money areas like Vaucluse in Sydney, Toorak in Melbourne, Hendra in Brisbane, Dalkeith in Perth and Main Beach on the Gold Coast all voted No.
Toorak/Deepdene was certainly an eyeopener for me when I first saw it, but Hendra is where most of the racing stables were until a few years ago, on the wrong side of the tracks, it wouldn’t be in the top 50 old money suburbs in Brisbane.
Ascot and Hamilton Heights, absolutely, Hendra being conservative is a throwback to it’s horse racing battler history, in my opinion.
Here’s the booth breakdown in Brisbane electorate, without Ascot and Hamilton Yes woud’ve swept the booths:
https://results.aec.gov.au/29581/Website/ReferendumDivisionResults-29581-156.htm
There isn’t any significant movement to change to flag and no popular well-known alternatives to the current flag so this won’t be ever mentioned any time soon. NZ had a flag referendum in 2016 and voted to retain the current flag despite having a significant movement and well-known popular flag alternative.
@ Marh
There is some discussion on the Mackellar thread about who the Northern Beaches and the Sutherland Shire have diverged since the Republic referendum. I wondering if you had any thoughts on that that. Imagine if there was a flag vote the Shire and the Northern Beaches will have quite a different results.
My analaysis-https://www.tallyroom.com.au/archive/aus2022/mackellar2022/comment-page-2#comment-824978