Forde – Australia 2025

2022 candidate Rowan Holzberger is running again for Labor

Interesting how Labor went on a spree of candidate announcements last week in seats like Forde, Ryan, Brisbane and Dickson. I do think Bonner is more winnable but there’s no candidate.

I’m more surprised that they didn’t announce a Flynn candidate, given that Albo said he was in Queensland to talk about the Coalition’s nuclear plans & Flynn being a marginal seat with a proposed plant to be placed within it, but I guess it ultimately just comes down to whether or not they’ve been able to actually find a candidate yet.

I think the seats they have chosen candidates for in Queensland so far are largely where their focus will be here and don’t really surprise me. No candidate in Bonner yet is odd given Forde has one but it’s easier and quicker to figure out when you’re just running the previous candidate again. While Dutton is the LNP leader (and Albanese is Labor leader, actually) I don’t think Flynn and Longman for example are winnable for Labor. And Ali France running again in Dickson is just a simple and quick solution for a seat I’m sure they’d be ecstatic to win but nonetheless doubt their chances there.

Even with Dutton as LNP leader I think Labor should really put a concerted effort into snagging a Brisbane seat or two on top of a good run at Leichardt given they’re facing likely losses in WA and have seats such as Lyons, Lingiari, Gilmore and Paterson in the other states to worry about as well. The whole “write QLD off” idea a lot of people have is an incredibly grave mistake and will come back to bite them over and over.

@ Laine
Labor will play defense in Blair and Leichardt is best chance of a gain, i think they will only try one at best maybe Brisbane, Bonner or Forde.

They aren’t winning Forde.

LNP hold, with a reasonable swing to the LNP.

Forde could be a Labor gain because of the rapid population growth in Park Ridge and Logan Reserve. A lot of young families moving into that area.

There might be a tougher vetting process for Labor candidates elsewhere where there are lower margins but still a tough hill to climb e.g. Flynn, Bonner. Labor might have decided to write off Forde and so they preselected the guy as before.

Seems either Labor underperformed in the Logan Parts of Forde or Labor overperformed in the Logan Parts of the neighboring Rankin or a maybe a little bit of both as the communities within the Rankin-Forde border has on average a roughly 10% difference on the TPP .

Negligible swing here. Don’t see it swinging much either way. LNP are not making this a 8-10% margin, NP, this is not 2019.

@Daniel T I wasn’t thinking 8-10% I was thinking maybe a 3-4% swing (57-58% margin). Around average or a little bit over average compared to the rest of the state/country.

The Redbridge MRP poll had this division move closer to Labor into “Too Close to Call”. One of the only in the country trending towards Labor rather than away.

I imagine that says something about the politics of the residents in the new housing estates, both in the northern Gold Coast and in the southwest of Logan. Does that have implications for Logan and Coomera at the upcoming state election?

@SEQ Observer can you link this poll please?

Also I still think this’ll be an LNP seat, with a swing of about 2-3% to the LNP.

I dont personally think Forde will fall in 2025 i think high interest rates will have an impact in a mortgage belt seat like this. However, longer term i think Labor will struggle to form government without this. Even if Higgins was retained, i dont see it being a long term prospect nor seats like Macnamara or Tangney. If Labor is unable to pick up coal seats in Central QLD and riverside Brisbane seats than Suburban Brisbane is where they need to look for gains to offset other loses.

@SEQ that report is vastly inaccurate it doesnt take into account any other opinion poll which is showing a swing away from labor. its not like they conducted a sample of every seat so i wouldnt read much into that report

@NP it wasnt an opinion poll just a report they made across the whole country i would see it as accurate

Seems either Labor underperformed in the Logan Parts of Forde or Labor overperformed in the Logan Parts of the neighboring Rankin or a maybe a little bit of both as the communities within the Rankin-Forde border has on average a roughly 10% difference on the TPP .

I’m rebridge simply uses a nationwide poll and demographic modwllong to predict the outcome of seats which is vastly inaccurate. Though I do believe poll bludger avg of giving the coalition 69 and labor 68 with the greens on 3 and others on 10 is in line with what I’ve been stating will be the outcome. I think baaed on these nukbers labor will form govt with the lefr wing teals and rhe greens as I dont believe the coalition can get the numbers without a minimumof 71 seats

@Marh there is also a demographic divide. This is the whiter seat while Rankin is the more multicultural seat. This does include some housing estates but also some working-class suburbs in Logan but Rankin is almost solidly working-class.

@john.. I posted re this on Whitlam page. To go from a Global figure to a specific seat call is not possible this degree of precision does nor exist

I got my hands on the poll. @Nether Portal, Kos posted it on his X yesterday.

The most interesting part was that it doesn’t quite look like a trend towards Labor in Forde per se, but the continuation of high primary votes directed away from the two major parties, which has made the race too uncertain.

Wright was similar but with a much higher first-preference vote for the LNP. But with Labor starting from under 20%. This puts Wright into non-classic territory again (like 2019). If there is any notable swing to the Greens in the Hinterland or in the new housing estates, the Greens could leapfrog Labor, especially if they attract a lot of preference from a crowded micro-party and independents field. Unlikely though because these will probably be right wing micro-parties. And ONP might have a lot of runway to start with a high enough first-preference vote.

Wide Bay was another that looked ripe for a non-classic 2CP outcome but I imagine that its non-classic votes would split between a Sandy Bolton-style, progressive, Noosa community independent and a right-wing micro party candidate (popular in Gympie and Maryborough). And consequently, neither snowballing enough to leapfrog either of the major parties.

@SEQ Observer thanks, I’ll check it out.

To @Nicholas point regarding the state implications, particularly for Logan and Coomera at the upcoming state election. I’m not sure, especially after drilling into the primary vote expectation of the MRP report. Of course, firstly the usual disclaimers about Federal and State being two different things. Disclaimer aside, it’s probably comforting for Labor’s incumbents in Macalister and Logan. But still doubtful regarding any swing towards Labor in Coomera and Theodore.

Regardless, some more applicable Redbridge state-polling was released by 9 News Queensland yesterday evening that painted a similar picture to the MRP and suggested that QLD Labor was beginning to recover in polling. Policies like 50c fares was suggested as factor aiding their recovery.

I would also say that Gold Coast Labor people have been really disciplined and have not broken kayfabe once in their purported high hopes in Coomera and Theodore all the way from 2020 and right through to all of this terrible polling. Maybe they’ve got a better picture at the division level to stoke this confidence. I’m personally skeptical.

It’s also obvious that policies like 50c fares are specifically targeted at divisions like Macalister, Theodore, Coomera, Gaven, etc. But I’m again skeptical about Labor’s expected swing on the Gold Coast.

@ Nether Portal to calculate Forde
State seats
1. All of Macalsiter
2. Parts of Coomera, Logan, Springwood, Theodore and Woodridge
Booths
1. Beenleigh
2. Bethana
3. Boronia Heights
4. Canowinda (external booth)
5. Carbrook
6. Cedar Creek
7. Coomera Springs
8. Cornubia
9. Eagleby
10. Edens Landing
12. Kimberley Park (Shailer Park)
13. Loganholme
14. Loganlea
15. Logan Reserve
16. Logan Village
17. Marsden
18. Meadowbrook
19. Mount Warren Park
20. Norfolk Village (Ormeau)
21. Ormeau
22. Oxenford (external booth)
23.Park Ridge
24. Pimpampa
21. Shailer Park
22. Slacks Creek
23. Tansey Park (Tanah Merah)
24. Upper Coomera
25.Highland Reserve (Upper Coomera)
26. Waterford
27. Windaroo
28. Windaroo Valley

@Nimalan thanks, here is the calculation:

State level TPP here (2024):

* LNP: 50.3%
* Labor: 49.7%

Labor did 3.9% better on the state level, and my guess is that crime is the reason the gap between the federal and state Labor TPP is much smaller south of the Brisbane River than north of it. The gap is about 8% in the Moreton Bay seats but on the South Side and in Ipswich it’s much smaller.

Nevertheless, this is one of just two Brisbane seats I’ve calculated that are held by the LNP on both the federal and state level. This one is ultra-marginal, but the LNP’s strong performance in Coomera was enough to overcome the Labor TPP in the areas they did well in.

@ Nether Portal
I think after Gaven, Coomera is the best prospect for a second Gold Coast seat it does not have much waterfront or Canal estates except for Jacobs Well.I am keen for you as a Gold Coast resident to share some demographic insights 🙂

@Nimalan I agree but it will all depend on the redistribution. The areas with more renters and growth areas are more Labor-voting but overall it is a conservative-leaning swing seat. Alberton is by far the most conservative booth in Coomera.

67.7% of Coomera residents were born in Australia, making it one of the more white Gold Coast seats. Gold Coast voting tends to be based on geography and wealth though as opposed to ethnicity, since while we don’t have a breakdown of votes by ethnicity, it would be safe to assume that the Asians in Southport and Surfers Paradise have similar voting trends to the Europeans there. I say that it is less ethnic-based because unlike elsewhere where it’s the more ethnic suburbs that vote Labor, the most ethnic parts of the Gold Coast are LNP-voting (though so are many white areas, e.g Mudgeeraba, though that includes some semi-rural areas).

Also, the Gold Coast’s inner-city is the most conservative of any major city in Australia because it is beachside and affluent (while inner-city Sydney and Perth extend out to the sea and thus have conservative/teal whole areas as well as conservative/teal pockets, the inner-city of Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide doesn’t so there are mostly just conservative/teal pockets there and those are fading, at least in Melbourne). Other conservative CBDs I can think of are those of the Sunshine Coast, Townsville and Darwin which are coastal, but in Cairns the most conservative areas are in the beachside Northern Suburbs (e.g Clifton Beach).

Overall, I agree this is Labor’s best shot at a second Gold Coast seat, with Currumbin in third, but only time will tell.

@ NP
Good points. I agree that CALD residents in Southport and Surfers Paradise will vote Liberal they are more high SES like CALD residents in the Hills District. I dont think Gold Coast attracts low income CALD residents like Logan or Inala. Also agree it depends on redistribution. Areas like Jacobs Well and Alberton will remain very conservative they are away from the main road/rail corridor. I think Currumbin will become harder for Labor over time as it contains Surf Beaches and as more baby boomers retire they will move there from elsewhere. Also Coomera is more important as it overlaps with Forde which is a seat in the long term Labor needs to win (i agree they probably will not win in 2025) while McPherson is unwinnable so Labor has less incentive to win Currumbin as there is no Federal benefit.

@Nimalan true, I would say

Gold Coast CALD residents are mostly either Asian (usually Chinese or Japanese) or European. There is also a noticeable Brazilian community, perhaps because the climate is similar (São Paulo lines up with the Sunshine Coast I think). Having been to Brazil, São Paulo and Rio are similar to Queensland in that it is coastal and is very well known for its beaches. It’s also a similar climate to South East Queensland whereas Recife and Salvador are more tropical like Cairns.

Actually, now that I think about it, I would confidently say the Japanese on the Gold Coast are mostly conservatives. The reason the Gold Coast has lots of Japanese people is A. direct flights and B. business relations (rich Japanese businessmen have heavily invested in the Gold Coast since the 80s and big Japanese companies operate here). There are also lots of Japanese tourists on the Gold Coast.

So basically the Chinese and Japanese community of the Gold Coast is mostly affluent.

According to The Poll Bludger, this seat contains:

* 49% of Coomera
* 47% of Logan
* 100% of Macalister
* 23% of Springwood
* 26% of Theodore
* 65% of Waterford

I’ll move to the Waterford thread to raise a point I had.