Menzies – Australia 2019

This is my comment from the last election, along with Mark Mulcair’s quite reasonable objection. Unfortunately there has been so much invasive,destructive, & controlling behaviour from pollies in the last few years Now there is the promise of infinitely more to come, so that i’ve almost become numbed to it all.

Kevin Andrew’s revolting intervention, may affect my death, however it won’t change my life. OTH I find myself constantly driven to visceral levels of fury, rage, & impassioned disgust, at the actions of ALL politicians. They truly are constantly, changing my life, the country’s, & my children’s future, & not for the better.

So Kevin is really nothing more than another self-important zealot, that thinks he has the right to dictate how other people live (& die).

Ben
Please give me an exemption from the comments policy. I really hate this bloke .
There are only 2 reasons he still draws breath
1/ i don’t have a fatal illness
2/ i believe in Karma !!!

Mark Mulcair
Posted May 21, 2016 at 6:29 PM
WD, there are plenty of lunatic political websites out there if you want to wish death or illness onto MPs you don’t like. You’re really not making yourself look good with this sort of stuff.

winediamond
Posted May 21, 2016 at 7:24 PM
MM
I was kidding.
Having said that 20 years ago i was pretty enraged over his private members bill , for the NT.
Every libertarian fibre / cell in my body !!!. I don’t think iv’e ever felt so invaded, or controlled by any other politician, or political action.
For me, as a 9 fixation, feeling controlled is like being injected with kyrptonite !!!.

Rumours he was to be challenged in lib preselection but now he is protected as took over the vic branch

It is time Kevin Andrews left the Parliament. His wishes he was back in the 1950’s. All he really is, is a guy stuck in a time warp.

Move on, and let someone with modern thinking into the Parliament.

Is Menzies a chance for Labor or another progressive party this election?

The margin is only 8% with a really really really conservative member

James

Don’t think so. Even in 2007 (the ALP’s high point in this seat), they didn’t come close, and in 2010, it swung towards the Liberals despite that election being the ALP’s best one in Victoria. I know the boundaries have shifted since then, but the core of it is still Doncaster/Templestowe – strong affluent areas; the addition of Eltham won’t be enough.

Voting against Same sex marriage will really hurt him, Hes too conservative for this Small L-Liberal electorate that supports Same Sex marriage and abortion. This will be close, Even if he survives

Looks like 1984 boundaries, except expanding more to east as far as I can see. http://pappubahry.com/pseph/aus_stats/?plot=map&year=1984&colour_by=informal&multiple=max&geo_map=1

James
Kevin Andrews is one of only a very few Liberals who would get my vote. Stuck in 1950’s with:
Compulsory centralised wage fixation,
Centralised wheat wool and milk marketing
A car industry not only growing internally but exporting to Africa and Middle East
Abortion, sodomy, prostitution, pornography and Sedition illegal. Seditious communists jailed for their Sedition.
All of Africa still under the rule of law
Homeownership within reach of nearly all
Wage Justice which enabled children to have a home to come back to after school.
Child endowment a significant contribution to family income.
Banks trusted by population
Government owned power stations airlines and insurance companies.
Quality manufactured goods produced inAustralia or imported from UK rather than from Red China as is case today.
No wonder Andrew’s has a hankering for 1950’s.
Murderers facing the noose
Petrol prices regulated and sold at a few shillings a gallon (cents a litre)
School delinquents caned into conformity
Kids who could read write and do computations in their head without a calculator
Jobs available for all. Remember Menzies nearly lost office in 1961 because unemployment reached 2%.
Migrants who were welcomed and integrated.

Is it any wonder that Kevin Andrews has a hankering for what we have lost
Unfortunately a lot of this loss was on Liberal watch and ALP can not be blamed. His own spineless party is responsible for most of our regression into barbarity.
Andrew Jackson
apjackson2@bigpond.com

My prediction is not absurd to think Andrews is gone, Have any of you been to Menzies? Hes despised after he voted against Same-Sex despite his electorate voting for it, and even worse, This seat now contains parts of JagaJaga, which voted OVERWHELMINGLY for Same-Sex, That part of JagaJaga that became part of Menzies will likely have a massive swing against the liberals there, Due to Andrews conservative stances, This is more likely to fall than seats like Casey and Higgins and even Hasluck (Wyatt is popular), as long as the polls stay the same as now, Should be a narrow Labor gain but def will be a 1 term Member, It should go back to Liberals in 2022, Do not overestimate Andrew’s chances.

Daniel has a point about this seat, not only will Eltham likely reject Andrews, but even within the former Menzies there are areas that can and do swing, Menzies could be the federal election version of Box Hill with a long time socially conservative MP in what looks like a safe seat only to be upset, I see Menzies as borderline and the Liberals do go in as favorite to hold but the ALP have a solid candidate and Andrews may have been there for a term or two too long.

A few points:

1. Box Hill – which has no overlap with Menzies – has a history of shifting back-and-forth between the two parties. Menzies does not. (The reason for Robert Dean’s unusually long tenure I explained in the Box Hill thread.)

2. To believe the same sex referendum results presage some great realignment of Australian politics is pretty dubious. If it did then Labor front-benchers Jason Clare, Tony Burke, Chris Bowen and Ed Husic would be all endangered; and nobody believes that. We saw a similar pattern in the 1999 republican referendum when the safest Liberal seats proved to be disproportionately republican. Menzies voted 57% yes in 2017 and 60% yes in 1999. There’s no evidence that Andrews’s social conservatism will hurt him any more than his monarchism. What these two polls proved is that neither issue is a major driver of voter behaviour.

3. Eltham is marginal territory, not safe Labor territory. And it only accounts for a small portion of the seat. Given that it was previously part of the safe Labor seat of Jagajaga there’s probably room for (relative) improvement for the Liberal vote here.

this looks like a secure liberal seat……….Doncaster, Donvale and Bullen are solid liberal……. 10% is a big margin……… what was a the state election vote transposed to here? is there a state seat which overlaps here more than 70% Andrews would have to be more unpopular than the libs here by tons to lose.
He is my age………… so he would have only been 10 in 1965……….. so he would not know that much of the 50’s

forgot about the redistribution seat 2.5% weaker for the libs but still suspect liberal retain

It is sad the the electorate named after the liberal founder of the Liberal Party, Sir Robert Menzies, is represented by such a ultra conservative Kevin Andrews MHR. Isn’t it time that Andrew and his longer serving ilk declared that they will not be nominating for the next federal election.

Whoops, one mistaken assumption on my part. It turns Andrews is in fact a republican.

Margin does not matter, And Hawthorn proved that

Daniel
Quite correct after election margin does not matter. However before an election a small margin combined with a busy road or flat battery or rainfall or a cut finger might be the difference between an ALP or a Coalition Government for next three years.

David

1. I am aware of the differences between the federal seat of Menzies and the state seat of Box Hill, however the potential similarity is that both could be considered safe and both had long serving socially conservative MP’s at a time when those sorts of MP’s seem to be out of favor with many Liberal voters.

2. True Eltham is marginal although recently that area has been solid ALP lending, just as Doncaster can be marginal although recently it has been solid Liberal lending.

Of the three seats above 7% (Menzies, Higgins and Flinders) I see this as the less likely to fall however if there is a swing on then it could go although Andrews starts as favorite.

Jeff Kennett is right we need fresh faces, “Mr Andrews is the endorsed Liberal candidate and is running for Menzies” Yeah we will soon see about that when he loses his seat, and theres going to be some thine regret, in the party, A successful premier that won 2 landslide victories knows what hes on about, despite his age i think he would be a good member for the parliament considering hes not like the “Crazy Conservatives” in the liberal party who would vote against Gay marriage and abortion rights in parliament despite your electorate supporing it, and Kevin is like the father of the house, Longest serving, he needs to go

This not the first time stoneface Andrews has been called to go. I know last election some in the media were calling for him to step aside and give the seat to Georgina Downer.

Looks like Andrews is going to do what Bronwyn Bishop and Senator Ian MacDonald tried to do and cling to his little bit of power as long as he can. I agree with earliar comments Liberals need to be careful Mps can overstay there welcome and get a backlash in the electorate as Wilson Tuckey found out in the seat of O’Connor on 2010.

Is this the seat Julia Banks runs in?

No, Julia Banks is in Chisholm.

Also, there’s no way Andrews loses this, outside of the rural parts of the state, this was really the only area in the state where the libs vote stayed.

why would she run in Chisholm as an independent ? she would have been endorsed as a liberal candidate for that seat.if she stands as an independant…….then it only makes sense to run in a liberal held seat with a larger margin and a right wing male mp. the two seats which fit the Bill are here and Deakin. I suspect Deakin will have a larger swing than the Victorian average and there is a excellent chance of a labor win.Here the dynamics are different because of its higher margin……. but i was just mischief making and I think this is too far away from where she is known

Lachlan – you are probably correct however Andrews is no small L Liberal: he is a Papist conservative.

Yeah dont overestimate Andrews, im going to ask again, Have tou been to Menzies? Hes despised there

Kevin Andrews, Any comment on Cardinal Pell?

Lachlan and mick Quinlivan – Julie Banks is the member for Chisholm but she is running at the Flinders next federal election.

Since the last election in 2016 the electoral boundaries have been redrawn so the TPP margin has declined. Climate groups and GetUp are working in the electorate to educate voters about climate change and where Andrews stands on this issue. This is the #ClimateElection and Andrews will lose his seat if Labor and the Greens are able to increase their primary vote.

WOW
That existential threat of climate change What a vote changer

Get up is a leftist front indoctrinating voters about the global warming hoax!
Andrews will hold on to his seat!

Stan, this is not Herald Sun comments section or Andrew Bolt’s blog.

Stan
Andrew’s has a 10% lead using last election figures. He has always been a social conservative pro family candidate and not an economic dry. Therefore those who will reject him because they support what they thought were Turnbull’s social policies would have deseted Andrew’s quite a few elections ago. He has not suddenly tried to imitate Mr Menzies- Fraser era liberals. He is one and we need more of them. My House primary vote will probably be for Palmer due to choice options but my major party preference is teetering between ALP and Liberals because of influence of both libertarians in Liberal Party. If my candidate was like Andrew’s the preference would go to liberals immediately.

Look for a surprise here, the Hun political reporter has said that pre polls for LIBs have been bad and other says the ALP is upbeat here esp with the old Jagajaga areas and some Lib voters looking to vote Green.

Could be a big 5-6% swing here….

I also think this may be a bit of a sleeper seat, getup has been campaigning here I believe and may accentuate the swing against a known conservative. One to watch, but seems unlikely Labor will be able to overcome the margin

Kevin Andrews is doing very well. Manningham which dominates this electorate is a Liberal area and same sex marriage for which I voted yes to, will have no influence at all. Labor also made the mistake thinking that “climate change” will sway voters. Only the affluent left and very young voters care about such things and they do not reflect Menzies at all.

What a crap result for Menzies. Kevin Andrews was a founding member of the pro coal
Monash Forum, he advocated a vote against same sex marriage equality, and opined “the
originator of the gang” rhetoric at African communities in Melbourne. He played a strong “behind the scenes role”in the conservative wing of the Liberal Party. He’s totally out of touch with his electorate.
Can’t we do better than this man. He’s been in office for 29 years. It’s time he retired.

Wake Up Menzies!

Too many sore losers here snd very poor predictions from people who obviously do not know this electorate very well. Kevin Andrews won without any swing against him.

Niki I think you are out of touch with Menzies going by the result. There are also others here who seem to be very out of touch saying this electorate has “swinging” areas.

Julie Grint, you cannot be more wrong. This was not a climate election it was just that Labor chose that path with the help if GetUp who wasted their time going by the result. This is what happens when politicians do not listen to ALL voters but instead follow their own ideals over people’s livelihoods. You really need to research this electorate to understand it. There’s no point anyone insulting the voters here, they are not stupid to need “educating”. Statements like that expose those who think they can inflict their beliefs on others.