12:21 – This is my final update for tonight.
I’ve put together a map showing the estimated 2PP swings at tonight’s election, but you can also toggle to see the 2017 2PP margins and the 2025 2PP margins. Any non-classic seat is in grey.
I’ll probably update these numbers tomorrow and do a proper post but it’s late and I should call it a night.
The map shows clearly that swings became larger as you radiate out from the centre of Perth.
When you toggle between the other layers, you can also see that the 2017 Liberals still maintained a solid core of nine seats stretching from Hillarys to Riverton, along with Dawesville at the very southern tip of the urban area.
In 2025, that heartland is wrecked. They have won Carine and are leading in Churchlands, as well as the non-classic seat of Cottesloe. Nedlands remains pretty close and things could change there.
It’s not that the Liberals have won a lot of other seats to make up for these losses. It’s pretty much just Kalamunda. And those 2017 seats remain some of the smallest margins. But most are still in Labor hands.
11:47 – I’ve also compared the pre-election margin for the ALP in each of these 54 seats to the swing estimated by the ABC tonight. To make the data comparable, I’ve used Antony’s estimates. It shows a clear trend where Labor generally suffered bigger swings in their safer seats. Unsurprising considering some of these enormous margins.
11:29 – The ABC has 2PP estimates for 54 out of 59 seats at the moment, in part thanks to a few of the possible non-classic seats not yet having data to calculate an alternative margin. This means it’s possible to analyse the 2PP swings in those 54 seats. And the average swing tells a story. The average swing against Labor to Liberal or Nationals is:
- Nine inner city electorates – 6.4%
- 21 middle suburban electorates – 10.8%
- 14 outer suburban electorates – 15.1%
- 10 regional electorates – 12.9%
Seems like a clear story of swings getting bigger as you get further out of the inner city of Perth.
11:13 – To focus a bit more on the 2CP pairing, right now I think there’s at least ten seats where it’s unclear what the final 2CP pairing will be. This is a pretty big number and will probably shrink as the primary vote count continues. Albany, Kalgoorlie and Warren-Blackwood are seats where the candidate making the 2CP might actually matter for the outcome. In the other seven it doesn’t matter. Four seats have Labor clearly winning while Liberal and Greens compete for second. In two others the Nationals have clearly won and it’s not clear if Liberal or Labor will come second. There’s also an independent who could potentially overtake the Liberal in Thornlie.
There’s also four seats where the correct 2CP pairing is clear but the WAEC picked the wrong one: Fremantle, Kimberley, Maylands and Pilbara. They chose Greens instead of Independent in Fremantle, Liberal instead of Greens in Mayland, and Nationals instead of Liberal in Pilbara and Kimberley. Usually these are cleaned up in coming days, likely on Monday.
Of the remaining 45 seats, 43 are classic races between Labor and either Liberal or Nationals. Indeed 42 are Labor vs Liberal and the only clear Labor vs Nationals race is in Geraldton. In Mid-West, the race is between Liberal and Nationals, while in Cottesloe it is Liberal vs Independent.
Overall that means that at this point we have 48 classic seats, 4 non-classic seats and 7 seats where it’s not clear. At the very least, that’s more than we saw in 2017 or 2021, but if there end up being eleven non-classic seats that would be equal to the record in 2001.
10:57 – As of a few minutes ago, there were 14 seats where the primary vote gap between second and third is less than 5%. This includes close races like Albany, Warren-Blackwood and Kalgoorlie. But it also includes a bunch of other seats where the result won’t be affected, but we may not know the final 2CP for a while. Right now the Greens are just 27 votes ahead of the Liberal Party in Perth, and the Liberal is just 163 votes ahead of the Greens in Bibra Lake. The gap is just 344 votes in Victoria Park. The Greens aren’t about to win any of these seats but it could be an interesting development for the future.
10:49 – There were 8 urban seats where the Nationals ran. In none of them did they get over 10%, with their vote peaking at 9% in Kalamunda and 7% in Swan Hills. They polled just 2% in Bicton.
10:19 – I’m sure we’re going to get some more detail for the election but for now the picture is reasonably clear. The Liberal and National parties have made some gains off Labor, but not many. Labor looks set, both in seat and 2PP terms, to exceed the 2021 result.
There appears to be seven seats that remain particularly close, but that may change as counting continues tonight.
I’m going to keep tracking those figures for a bit longer and start working on my final analysis.
9:37 – By my reckoning, there are 7 seats with some genuine uncertainty:
- Albany
- Churchlands
- Fremantle
- Kalgoorlie
- Nedlands
- Pilbara
- Warren-Blackwood
I don’t think we will not have a correct 2CP in Fremantle tonight but the independent seems to be in a strong position. In Albany, Kalgoorlie and Warren-Blackwood there is serious doubt about whether the Liberal or Nationals will make the 2CP and probably won’t have an answer until the final distribution is conducted. Arguably Pilbara is in the same category but I think it’s unlikely the Nationals can make the 2CP there.
There have been very few votes counted in Kimberley. That seat could end up being close, but equally could be solid Labor or flip. We have no data from Midland and Murray-Wellington, but it’s likely those seats will stay with Labor based on trends in similar seats.
9:13 – Real preferences in Kalamunda have now pushed that seat into the Liberal column.
9:11 – So for two-candidate-preferred counts to work on the night, the electoral commission needs to choose who they think will be the top two before election night and communicate this to the people running the count in each booth. They can put a stop to the count if they get the wrong combination of candidates, but if they get it wrong it will usually take a lot longer.
It looks like they have guessed correctly in Cottesloe. We don’t have any data but the pairing is Liberal vs Independent. But in Fremantle the 2CP count is Labor vs Greens, not Labor vs Independent. So I don’t expect to get real preferences there tonight.
9:08 – Preference counts are starting to come in, I’m just trying to track down the counts in the interesting seats.
8:54 – After looking through those seats, I have identified five specific seats where the race is genuinely very close:
- Albany
- Churchlands
- Cottesloe
- Kalamunda
- Kalgoorlie
8:51 – By my count at the moment the ABC has given away 31 seats to Labor, 3 to Liberal and 2 to Nationals. Based on a quick check, I see another 10 seats which are very obvious Labor wins but not enough votes have yet been counted to call the seat, and the same is true for the Nationals in two seats. So that brings it up to 41 Labor, 3 Liberal and 4 Nationals. That suggests Labor is now set to at least win as many seats as they did in 2017, and probably more.
Also worth noting we have no data at all from Midland or Murray-Wellington. Midland should stay with Labor, and likely Murray-Wellington too. So right now it looks likely that Labor will at least get to the mid 40s.
8:31 – There are a lot of seats that remain close and it’s worth emphasising that we don’t really have any two-candidate-preferred counts so far. Getting some 2CP counts would really help. We also haven’t really got any pre-poll votes.
8:18 – Outside of the inner city, the Liberals and Nationals are also struggling with other marginals. Labor is leading in Warren-Blackwood, Scarborough and Riverton. The Liberals have won Carine and either the Liberals or Nationals will probably win Geraldton. Albany and Kalgoorlie both look very close. At this point the seat gains are so small that it’s possible the Nationals will still be the bigger party.
8:11 – The big story of Australian elections over the last decade has been inner cities shifting further to the left and I think that’s playing out tonight. The swings to the Liberal Party in some inner city marginals are really quite modest. On the ABC’s 2PP estimates, the swings are:
- 3.6% in Churchlands
- 2.4% in Bateman
- 4.6% in Bicton
- 4.8% in Nedlands
- 7.1% in South Perth
- No primary vote swing in Cottesloe, and close race against an independent.
All six of these seats would have traditionally been safe Liberal seats.
8:05 – I should’ve included Cottesloe in the list of independents earlier. Rachel Horncastle is second on 30% with the Liberals on 46.6%. Right now the ABC computer is giving 53% 2CP to Liberal but that’s based off preference estimates.
8:00 – The vote might pick up as more votes are counted (particularly pre-poll votes), but right now the swing to the Liberals is looking a lot smaller than what we saw in pre-election polls.
7:57 – Right now it’s looking like the vote for independents and minor parties is up off a low base in 2021. Right now there’s about 25% of the vote going to candidates outside of Labor, Liberal and Nationals. The previous record was 28.3% in 2001, and 21.2% in 2017 was the second highest. Whether that will translate into any seat gains, it’s too early to say. Fremantle is looking a bit interesting.
7:52 – How are the prominent independents doing?
- In Bassendean, Renee McLennan is third on 8.9%
- Churchlands, Lisa Thornton is third on 16.6%
- Fremantle, Kate Hulett is leading with 38.2%. But that’s just one booth.
- Nedlands, Rosemary de Vries is fourth on 8.6%
7:41 – South Perth is a traditional safe Liberal seat that has a 10.1% Labor margin after the 2021 landslide. There’s no 2CP count, but off 7 booths the primary vote swing to the Liberal Party is just 3.9%, plus 4.1% for the Nationals, and that seems enough for the ABC computer to have called it for Labor. This is consistent with the ALP doing better than they did in 2017.
7:35 – Basil Zempilas is running for the Liberal Party in Labor’s most marginal seat – Churchlands. You’d expect that to flip easily but right now it’s looking close. The Liberal vote is down 8% – admittedly with a strong independent running. There are no 2CP figures but the ABC’s preference estimate has Zempilas on 50.6%.
7:31 – It’s worth taking a look at Cottesloe. One of the two Liberal seats in 2021, the independent Rachel Horncastle is on 25.5%. The first two booths have the Liberals over 50%, but the ABC is projecting the race as just 51-49 to Liberal over independent.
7:15 – The Liberal Party is narrowly ahead in Albany but it’s still very competitive. If they fall short there it’ll be a very disappointing result.
6:57 – Bunbury is the kind of seat that would fall if the conservative parties were close to taking power, but the swing is falling a long way short. The first booth has a 17.7% swing away from Labor and 8.4% to the Liberals – the ABC thinks that’s a 2PP swing of 12.4%, which is far short of what they’d need to win.
6:49 – Kalgoorlie is a particularly complex seat to watch. Labor held the seat by an 11.2% margin, and are facing a challenge from Liberal, Nationals and the ex-Liberal MP as an independent. The first booth is showing a big swing against Labor but also a swing against the Liberal Party, with a wide range of conservative challengers all clustered together.
6:45 – A few other seats have very small samples of primary vote results. When the ABC applies their estimate of preference flows, they tend to be producing expected 2PP swings somewhere in the teens. Which is consistent with the conservative parties bouncing back to the numbers they had in 2017 (roughly) but a long way short of winning the election.
6:40 – The mobile polling in Morley is showing a swing in the mid-teens projected. This is consistent with a statewide result similar to 2017.
6:00 – Polls have just closed for the Western Australian state election. I’ll be tracking the results tonight, so please stay tuned.
Seats that I want to see more real data on, including preference counts and pre-polls:
Albany
Bateman
Churchlands
Cottesloe
Dawesville
Fremantle
Geraldton
Kalamunda
Kalgoorlie
Pilbara
South Perth
Warren-Blackwood
This can’t be seen as a victory for Libby Mettam and they will probably have to look for a new leader.
Mettam is going to be the only returning MLA and Zempilas might not win. They’re not going to have many options.
Basil Zempilas is clearly reviled by many voters alike, so that’s not entirely surprising.
The federal libs will see this as a win. This election was fought on the fact the wa labor has done a good job managing the wa economy. Albo won’t be able to parade Roger cook around like he’s McGowan but I’d expect McGowan to be out and about. Libs can be confident in winning bullwinkel Tangney and curtin. I’d expect Pearce to be in play too. Look forward to nps federal breakdown on state results
Warren-Blackwood is a four-way mess. The Nats are getting dumped harder than Labor and are in danger of missing the top two, and that’s before all the strong Greens booths (Margaret River, Denmark) come in.
At the moment it’s looking like Prahran 2014 – current PB projection has both the 3cp (Nat/Lib) and 2cp (Nat/ALP) close to a tie. Get the popcorn.
Zempilas should win on postals and pre polls. They surely can find someone other than those 2. The reason she’s the only returning mla is they only had 2 and 1 retired.
Add Nedlands to the above list as well. Liberal heartland appears to be going the way of the dodo.
Libs are fixing a good job in Kimberley despite the candidate being disendorsed. Even in collie the libs are going well and Bunbury. Still no results in Murray Wellington. Labor could be expelled from the regions come 2029
A remarkable result for Labor and one I admittedly did not see coming to this extent. I think tonight has proven one thing: the coalition will not form government federally again until we have had the privilege of the Teals supporting supply to the ALP in minority government first. Dutton shouldn’t accept minority government at the next election even if he wins more seats than Labor. The teals are doing to the Liberals what the DLP did to Labor. It will take a while folks for the wealthy electorates to get jack of it.
@DB the Teals are really just a modern variation of the Australian Democrats, in a sense.
John: David Honey didn’t retire – he got dumped in preselection, which was such a good idea for the Libs that they damn near lost the seat to an independent. If he wasn’t such a loyal party man he would’ve run himself, and possibly won.
So he’s retiring? That’s how democracy works. The libs don’t just give jobs for their mates it’s a vote by the branch membership on who the candidate will be. Just like in Moore and Monash
Nedlands should be a Liberal hold on these primary numbers that show 46.9% Liberal first preference after 14 of 14 booths reporting. Once they finish the 2PP count I assume it will be confirmed at around 52%.
Results are finally coming in from Murray-Wellington, and the swing is on. Labor could be wiped out outside of Perth and still hold three-quarters of seats. The brilliance of One Vote, One Value – you never have to care about the regions again!
There are also big chunks of the state where the Liberal Party would never need to care about them to win elections. That’s what happens when you have state seats. Argue for PR if you actually want parties to care about places where they don’t win seats (not that this is true for Labor in WA – they’re still competitive in a handful of regional seats).
Would that be the regional PR that was previously in place in the Upper House, Ben?
Speaking of that venerable chamber, only a quarter of eligible first preferences counted in the Upper House so far. On current votes, Labor would have 15.5 quotas, Liberals 10.5, Greens 4.5, Nats 2, One Nation a bit over 1, Legalise Cannabis 1 and Australian Christians precisely 1 (literally 2.63%). If Labor+Greens get one more, and Liberals get one more, there’s still one outstanding seat to be fought over. While plenty of votes still remaining, I suspect the above will stay roughly as is.
Libs are actually in contention for collie. Wow. They are coming back in dawesville and south Perth too.labor appears to have lost Albany but there current
Y unsure to who. My god even a candidate who spoke out against abortion and homosexuality might get up
North not really there are 15 seats outside Perth. That’s a quarter right there. Labor looks set to comfortably hold Bunbury and Mandurah but that’s it. The lib despite being disendorsed for comments about hanging kids seems to have put in a good show. If they had of found a better candidate they may have won.
Basil should not be elected Liberal Leader he has too much baggage on him now. Libby should continue or give it to any one else but Basil. There still are not many members to choose from but someone else but Basil would be best for the Liberal Party.
I fell asleep after 11:00pm.
As for why I didn’t call it later, it’s because I wasn’t paying attention. When you have ADHD and are staying up late it’s hard to pay attention, especially when the results came in pretty slow.
I also only call elections when the majority mark is hit (but seats I call when I am satisfied with the count and margin and don’t think prepolls could change it).
Anyway, just a quick update:
These seats are still in doubt:
* Albany — Liberal ahead
* Collie-Preston — Labor likely
* Dawesville — Labor ahead
* Fremantle — Independent ahead
* Kalamunda — Liberal ahead
* Kalgoorlie — Labor ahead
* Murray-Wellington — Liberal ahead
* Pilbara — Labor ahead
* South Perth — Labor ahead
* Warren-Blackwood — Nationals ahead
It’s been a nightmare for the Coalition. Even if they win all 10 of those seats they’ve still only got 19 seats (12 Liberals and seven Nationals). Unless Labor are really bad this next term it really isn’t enough for them to bounce back and form government. It’s another landslide for Labor in seat totals, not to mention they’ve got 58.3% of the TPP vote (an –11.3% swing away from Labor).
I understand that np. I think the libs can win collie it looks like the only booth not to report is prepoll and it looks like it’s gonna be a big one. If that favours the libs they could win
19 seats is more then enough seats to springboard to govt. postals yet to come in may move south Perth and bateman
DB @ 12:39 am
I take it you are a Liberal supporter. So my question for you is – shouldn’t the Coalition see the rise of the Teals as something that should be sending them a message that something is wrong with the LNP/NP from an electorate perspective?
I count myself as a progressive voter, but I would happily vote Teal (knowing they are not a party) if I had a candidate in my electorate. They remind me of the old-fashion “Liberals” of Menzies (before my time) – sensible, but still moderately progressive. The current day Coalition remind me of reactionary conservatives who focus is on a very small minority – not the forgotten people.
I am old enough to remember the times of “Point of View” being on TV each Sunday preaching the conservative views of the DLP and my Labor supporting father cursing in the background. But at that time Labor were probably too far left and it took Whitlam to bring some order to the party and eventually bring them to power.
I tend to think that the Teals are more in tune with the electorate than what the current Coalition Parties are. Whereas you seem to be arguing that the electorate has to come around to what the current Coalition believes, rather than vice versa. Just my opinion, but I think you are framing the problem incorrectly.
If only the Liberals used the level of reaching going on in here at the poll booth in 2021, they’d have won both then and now by their own landslide.
And as someone in the regions I’m glad the acres surrounding me don’t have as much of a vote anymore. Highly undemocratic malapportionment gone for good. For once Victoria is the last relic of the past.
Warren- Blackwood still undecided alp ahead per abc
North by West @ 2:24 am
I am strongly sympathetic to the plight of the regions caused by low population spread across huge geographical areas, but I don’t think moving away from One Vote, One Value is the solution. I think we can see the negative consequences of this through the reign of the Joh Bjelke-Petersen Queensland Government.
Ben had a podcast on Democracy the other day and this is the sort of issue that should be examined in any comprehensive review of how to redress the issues faced by the political representatives and their electorate in such seats. But as stated above I don’t think the solution is more political representatives that give regional voters a disproportional greater say in who forms government. My own preference is that the Parliamentary system allocates more support workers and possibly alternative ways for people in these regions to express and receive the information / support they deserve.
Kos Samaras on ABC said [wtte] “The Eastern States are a whole new world”. Meaning, imo, Perthians believe they can afford to shout themselves another Labor Government.
An absolutely disastrous result for the state Liberal party. They’ve now had their worst three elections in succession.
So much for the opposition numbering 20.
I keep saying though, if Palaszczuk could win government from a position of 7 seats in 2015, anybody can. Not an indictment on the former Qld premier, but a statement of respect for the electorate. Governing, campaigning and winning elections is not purely a mathematical exercise. That’s why many of the seats below that fabled 15% swing have stayed with Labor, and why some of the so-called blue ribbon seats saw the smallest swings.
What can the federal parties take out of this result? Not much. It was fought on state issues, and a substantial number of voters will not vote the same way in May, with different issues, candidates and policies to consider.
Agreed even though I am a liberal voter state labor in wa are probably doing enough of a goood job that there was no reason for there to be a liberal landslide. The economy is going good no debt and no major crime issues. Though the regions are obviously not happy with the state govt. and it’s entirely possible the liberals can win collie Bateman south Perth and Pilbara and could totally win all the in doubt seats bar Fremantle. That could be close. If the teal were to lose Fremantle she might contest the federal seat and that could be an opportunity for the liberals to horse trade for curtin.
Labor could possibly be kicked out of the regions entirely in 2029. 18 seats or better this time and with enough marginals being made forming govt in 2029. The nats and libs played nice with each other to take on their common enemy.
I just got a chance to read through the pre-election thread and I do have to point out some absolute gems there.
NP: “6 News hosts appear to be biased towards Labor. They’re all predicting the Liberals to get no more than 12 seats, with one predicting the Liberals and Nationals to both have the same number of seats.
While there’s absolutely no doubt that Labor will win the election, they will lose 15 or 20 seats.”
I’m not sure where this figure is being conjured from, but this is a good lesson to take one’s own bias out before accusing others. It is very easy to see how that figure is reached if you simply follow what the polls were saying (57% Labor 2PP) and apply a uniform swing. There were only 11 seats that Labor had inside of that range, so the most straightforward application of polling analysis would have yielded 43 Labor, 11 Liberal, 5 National (or perhaps 10 Liberal 6 National).
There’s no shame in predicting things wrong, but I do feel the need to point out the hubris and lack of self-awareness in accusing others of bias for simply following what the polls were saying. And without any clear reasoning in assuming an extra couple of points of swing or more for the Liberals.
I predicticed labor to win 40 seats or no more then 41. So far that seems to be holding. Along with the 5 nats and 13-14 libs. A couple seats however surprised me including the controversial liberal in Albany being on the verge of winning. While he hasn’t won yet the abc has stated labor is set to lose but it will depend on final order as to whether that’s to lib or Nat.the lib is also close in Pilbara there best result since 1980. Though that order could change.
John, you’re assigning every single “in doubt” seat against Labor and claiming that your prediction of 40 seats is holding? That’s not remotely realistic. Labor is currently on track for at least 43 and probably more than that.
Like I said, being wrong isn’t an issue. I do think that you should be able to acknowledge you got this wrong, however.
(Also, 40 wasn’t your prediction, but the upper bound beyond which you said you couldn’t see them reaching, despite the polls showing otherwise. But I digress.)
Labor will be worried federally about voter backlash worse than what happened at a state level. While I’ve always stated I believe they will win Curtin, Tangey and Bullwinkel. These results also confirm my earlier statement that the CoL crisis may threaten Pearce and and Hasluck. There was a huge swing in the Rockingham area but was to be expected and Brand is not at risk. Burt, Perth and Cowan should also be safe. Swan could throw up a wildcard but probably a labor retain too. The teal challenge in Cottesloe fizzled and the libs increase their primary to win on primaries. Should be good news for Curtin especially given Curtin doesn’t contain north Fremantle as Cottesloe does.
It’s not exact but it was close. It was an educated guess if you will. I didn’t see labor holding Scarborough but that’s out of reach for the libs now. Those seats are all entirely possible for the libs aside from Fremantle. And collie has only 35% counted with an sizeable prepoll to come. I imagine there are more postals and prefernce counts to do. I was surprised at Bateman and south Perth not flipping yesterday also. It’s hard to predict some seats as the swing is neve uniform. I fully expect to be wrong on my federal predictions to. Without having in depth knowledge of specific seats and voting intentions it’s not easy to be right on every seat.
If you’re going to look at the huge swings for reasons for Liberals to be optimistic at the Federal level, you have to consider that this is in the context of an out of the world result in 2021 and the obvious correction that involves. Rockingham in particular was McGowan’s seat and a bigger swing there is nothing unexpected.
Then if you think there is reason to be optimistic for Liberals in Hasluck based on the swings, you have to consider that swings in seats overlapping Curtin and Tangney were much lower than expected. You can’t have your cake and eat it too by portraying this as a good thing for Liberals in Curtin.
And I don’t find a prediction that you made, John. Based on your comments, though, it seems your median expectation was something like 35 than 40. Which would make sense since 40 was your upper bound. Certainly you can’t call it close when your upper bound is breached – it is just plainly wrong in such a case.
I believe I said no more than 41 at most so far they have 40. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. Also you fail to see that the 2022 swing towards labor at the federal election is yet to be corrected.
And as I stated I did include seats like Scarborough Bicton and Riverton in my most optimistic assessments. Which were wrong. Tangey and Curtin are also on much lower margins. And I have made those predictions based on polling. From those 2 seats.
Seems reasonably certain alp
Have lost Albany
Carine
NEDLANDS
Church lands
Kalamundra
Geraldton
Still seats in doubt
John how do you get 18 seats won
Albany is in doubt as to whether lib or
Nat.
The McGowan factor at the 2021 state election is clearly much greater than at the 2022 federal election. There is no evidence of an automatic 10% correction in the Federal election like was long expected here. It’s farcical to suggest that Churchlands and Cottesloe having such low swings to Liberal compared to the rest of the state, and Nedlands not much better, is suggestive of good tidings for the Liberals in Curtin.
40 is just what is currently confirmed. Pilbara and South Perth are quite likely to be confirmed wins in time, South Perth having an already advanced count with mostly absents and late postals which tend to favour Labor and Pilbara mostly a case of confirming who the challenger to Labor is. The estimated preference flows to the Liberal are not strong enough, it only gets more interesting if it’s a different challenger.
Moreover, I am not counting the chickens here, I’m responding to your claim of your “prediction” of 40 seats being on track. Not only is it an upper bound and not a prediction, thus an entirely different concept, but Labor is leading several of these in doubt seats. Reality does not have a Liberal bias, and late counting will not inevitably turn all of the seats Liberal/National (plus, one of those seats is Fremantle in which it’s purely about Labor vs Ind) – they already have most of the prepolls counted, and estimates are accounting for the impacts of postals and absents. Late-arriving postals and absents in particular are what tend to favour Labor.
What was the current 2pp?
I’m aware Fremantle is lab v Ind. last I checked 41 is close to 43.
Besides as I already admitted I gave the libs 3 seats they failed to win.
Tony Abbott was one of Santa’s followers. He handed out their bulletin
” democrat” at Sydney uni late 1970s.
I always voted against him in any student ballots at uni.